Aug 15, 2006 12:47pm
Re: Are Deadheads mad?
Spaced - i must disagree with you on a few points.
>>>Number one - i have read excerpts of Lowewens book, and he is a complete ass and cant even get the facts straight. >>>
I have read it for years, but you don't have facts yourself. Just because the rulers of Russia and China want to rewrite history doesn't mean we can't get our facts straight. White people are not the crown of creation.
>>>Violent religious intolerance IS more prevalent in islam. That is fact. Granted, the "people" are "coerced" to believe in violence to propogate the more or less geo-political agenda from their leaders which has NOTHING to do with religion, but land and money. Same as the middle age crusades.>>>
You don't have any facts, though I know that even a survey would be a large project. You see that politics uses religion, but you fail to acknowledge that the whole world was colonized by the West, and that there is no post colonial but neo-colonialism that the US (and Russia before it fell) inherited from Europe after 2 (fight for control) 'world' wars.
>>>#3 - The "innocent" of the Koresh followers???? Dude, i really hope you are only talking about the kids. Any adult in their right mind had to see through that jackass. If they didn't .... they got what they deserved. >>>
He seemed like a nut job but you don't murder a group of people because they believe in a nutjob. "They got what they deserved" -- wow -- hey I'm not the judge and and am afraid to arrogate that role. They didn't attack anyone and the authorities could have swooped in just for him during his morning jogs.
>>>...i would have offed them myself given the chance. you gotta be kidden me making that parallel. There certainly is "collateral damage" - murder is murder??? ... If something serves the common good and protects my family.... i'll take collateral damage of some fucking nutjobs any day of the week. >>>
Ain't that heaven sent.
Collateral damage is murder -- pure and simple no matter what religion you claim.
>>>"There's little that radical islam can do to hurt the US" - dude - you have no clue. ... How dare you ... Get a grip on reality man. Get off your mother's teat and look at what is going on around us.>>>
I actually believe in self protection, but really keep things in perspective. Our country has killed far more than what we lost, speaking an eye for an eye, and didn't even specifically target the suspected perps. No, we "had" to destroy one country then lie to murder and destroy another that had nothing to to with it.
That's reality and you have to face it because we're all complicit for failing to control our current rulers. The least you can do is hate injustice in your heart. You can find, you just have to poke around.
>>>Futhermore, "piople have to be trained to overcome instincts against killing other people"????? You can't be serious - you obviously have no anthropological background nor any historical psychological background of the basic human condition. Read up man? - i can't convert you in this thread - but you are seriously misinformed of basic human nature.>>>
This is a deadly serious matter. If you become a neocon zombie, sure the dark side hires another soul at the price of hell. Zombies can justify torture and murder all they want but they're often chickenhawks who don't have to live with the memories and nightmares that haunt them in this world and maybe the next. Sending young people into unjust wars without good equipment or after care denigrates the honor of military service.
There's plenty of reading to be done, like of Kagan and of Lt. Col. Dave Grossman's Pulitzer-nominated book, "On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society" (www.killology.com
That's not to say human nature is all sweetness and light because those Seven Sins are deadly to the soul.
>>>Sorry to sound so harsh - but get out of the Grateful Dead's lyrics (i.e. utopian ideal) and look at the real world. Yeah, would it be great to follow their lyrics and/or Jesus' ideal - sure, but it aint happening in this world.>>>
I was very cynical before meeting Deadheads and seeing the sounds. While my brother was beaten and robbed at Stones shows, I was given roses at GD shows and could leave my stuff on the floor at Kaiser and pick it up untouched. Amazing even apart from the music.
Don't give up on ideals; they lead to reality. I could say more I think it's been said better already. Might just seem vain, but seriously consider Comes A Time, Scarlet>Fire, Stella Blue. This turning the other cheek stuff is all about trying harder, and the prize is paradise and the vision and pleasure of God.
This post was modified by Spaced on 2006-08-15 19:47:11